tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post3264762323937731919..comments2024-03-25T17:38:55.490-07:00Comments on Dar Kush: Steven Barneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-22143746871181557622009-06-10T08:40:45.425-07:002009-06-10T08:40:45.425-07:00"I object to them because they are obese, and..."I object to them because they are obese, and therefore all four of the black people in the movie have serious problems. I reserve the right to be offended by that."<br /><br />Of course you may be offended if you wish to be; I'd note that every character in the movie had serious problems.<br /><br />Also, there were five black characters, though I didn't remember the second bodyguard in the later scenes at Tyson's house either.<br /><br />"what was your "error" with the motorcycle? Forgetting that it was hot? If you knew it was hot, why exactly did you think you wouldn't get burned? If that wasn't self-deception, kindly educate me as to what it was."<br /><br />Sure; I rode to the library, parked, kicked down my kickstand, and tipped the bike onto it. I screwed up the kickstand kick, it went halfway down and then popped back up; on a spring, you know? So the bike kept going down until the exhaust pipe pressed firmly against my calf. At that point I lifted it back up. No deception, just clumsiness.<br /><br />"I can't think of a single real mistake I've ever made in my life that didn't boil down to dishonesty."<br /><br />So you've never gotten lost? Or gotten a B on a test?Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04606348439737007635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-28825149675753072112009-06-10T03:16:41.064-07:002009-06-10T03:16:41.064-07:00BEST BLOG I EVER SEE
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Melayu BolehBEST BLOG I EVER SEE<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><a href="http://melayubolehla.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Melayu Boleh</a>Melayu Bolehhttp://melayubolehla.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-37550994489484685942009-06-09T19:20:46.140-07:002009-06-09T19:20:46.140-07:001) You're right about Cleo and the bodyguard. ...1) You're right about Cleo and the bodyguard. I wasn't weaseling--I'd just forgotten. I object to them because they are obese, and therefore all four of the black people in the movie have serious problems. I reserve the right to be offended by that. <br />2)I never said mistakes only come from lying to yourself. I said "I can't think of a single real mistake I've ever made in my life that didn't boil down to dishonesty"<br />Note that I didn't say "I've never known anyone to consider themselves to have made a mistake unless it related to dishonesty." I was referring to my own life, and the things I consider "real mistakes." 3) Since you're pushing it, what was your "error" with the motorcycle? Forgetting that it was hot? If you knew it was hot, why exactly did you think you wouldn't get burned? If that wasn't self-deception, kindly educate me as to what it was.Steven Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-4840228638314709922009-06-09T14:32:21.775-07:002009-06-09T14:32:21.775-07:00Ah? I consider burning myself to be a mistake. I d...Ah? I consider burning myself to be a mistake. I didn't lie to myself, saying "Sure I can touch a several hundred degree exhaust pipe with my bare skin and not be hurt," I just erred. So saying that mistakes *only* come from deception of self or others would be a lie of omission; there are other sources of error, like, say, clumsiness.<br /><br />"But I reserve the right to object to a movie in which the only black people are criminals, or could reasonably perceived that way."<br /><br />That would be a lie*; Cleo plays a police officer and Jernard plays a bodyguard.<br /><br /><br />* Unless, of course, you're not speaking of this movie, but rather some other hypothetical movie, in which case it would instead be the weaseling you were just complaining about.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04606348439737007635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-46894540211158499542009-06-09T12:14:39.426-07:002009-06-09T12:14:39.426-07:00Scott: I don't understand your first comment a...Scott: I don't understand your first comment about the motorcycle. Lying by omission? No comprende, Dude. However, If I burned my leg on something I KNEW was hot, I would consider that I lied to myself about my risk of injury--deceived myself about being Superman. That my macho bullshit cost me some skin. That's lying to myself.<br />##<br />Tyson? Sure, he's more nuanced than merely a convicted rapist. But I reserve the right to object to a movie in which the only black people are criminals, or could reasonably perceived that way. Sure, "nuance" makes any human being, of any history, seem less odious. But I made a movie in which the only white man was Hitler, suggesting that we have to be more "nuanced" than to look only at his extermination of 6 million Jews (after all, he loved children! He painted roses!) would be disingenuous to say the least. No "lying by omission" at all.Steven Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-38742206556610505742009-06-09T12:09:25.834-07:002009-06-09T12:09:25.834-07:001) Nancy: Deception is central to survival in a ...1) Nancy: Deception is central to survival in a martial context. I'd consider this one of the reasons why mortal conflict should be avoided if there is any other choice at all. You would be a fool to be honest with someone who has demonstrated that they have intention of treating you fairly. Slaves who stole from their masters were not thieves. If I trick a mugger with a dishonesty in order to buy a moment to kick him in the balls, that doesn't make me a bad guy. On the other hand, if I provoke or seek out opportunities to fight, that says something troubling about me--I definitely have issues that need to be addressed.Steven Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-20762851746861099672009-06-09T12:06:02.955-07:002009-06-09T12:06:02.955-07:001) Failure isn't the same as mistake. You can ...1) Failure isn't the same as mistake. You can prepare to your highest ability, then compete, and be beaten. That had nothing to do with lying, or lying to yourself. You do your best, and then reality shows you where you are on the map. I consider "mistakes" to be things were I have some volition in the matter. Perhaps it's a matter of terminology.<br />2) I think that people will give up almost anything to survive. People who will sacrifice their lives for a higher ideal are so rare that they are given the highest honors a society can offer--specifically because it is rare. Maslow's heirarchy rules here. And Dan--you misquoted me again. I never said "proof they're getting a better deal out of it." I've said again and again that I will NOT take that position--I think both sides are in this together, and NEITHER side is getting a "better deal." That the fact women live longer is a balancing factor to some of the other apparent advantage. You seem to be operating from a framework of "it has to be one or the other." No, Dan. It doesn't.Steven Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-32240118913179782009-06-08T18:20:20.821-07:002009-06-08T18:20:20.821-07:00Dishonesty: I've got a third degree burn on my...Dishonesty: I've got a third degree burn on my leg right now from my motorcycle's exhaust pipe. I'd say that would be a real mistake from on alternate source. I'd say I make honest mistakes every day; I thought you found lying by omission distasteful?<br /><br />Blacks: Mike Tyson's a little more nuanced a person than 'convicted rapist' gives him - or, for that matter, his character in the movie - credit for, I think; I thought you found lying by omission distasteful?Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04606348439737007635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-72039138025671019152009-06-08T16:39:46.083-07:002009-06-08T16:39:46.083-07:00I'm pretty sure I used to contribute informati...I'm pretty sure I used to contribute information to the other side of the argument, but it's been a long time since I've done so-- it's something I'm going to think about. I think that in my efforts to get more connected to myself, I also got more connected to some not quite honest desires to win.<br /><br />I don't think you addressed where deception in fighting fits in with being a Warrior as a legitimate path.Nancy Lebovitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07068537632391466902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-36978502563034241442009-06-08T13:44:07.488-07:002009-06-08T13:44:07.488-07:00oops! That should have been "But by my interp...oops! That should have been "But by my interpretation"Marty Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06465745755940914756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-80794999429226764882009-06-08T13:41:44.937-07:002009-06-08T13:41:44.937-07:00The "This above all to thine own self be true...The "This above all to thine own self be true " quote has always been my favorite in all literature and I have tried to be true to it. But by interpretation of it, being deceptive in a competition in order to win would not be false to the opponent who would be expecting it. Being less deceptive than you could be in order to let the opponent win would be. Especially if you did it to gain something for yourself rather than to make the other person feel good about themselves.Marty Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06465745755940914756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-43637926861831353432009-06-08T11:40:20.371-07:002009-06-08T11:40:20.371-07:00Congratulations to Nicki!
I have also given facts...Congratulations to Nicki!<br /><br />I have also given facts that seemed contrary to my position in an argument, with similar results.Pagan Topologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611788563582362688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-56753634534293348912009-06-08T11:06:53.300-07:002009-06-08T11:06:53.300-07:00BTW, I wanted to point out, in your argument regar...BTW, I wanted to point out, in your argument regarding how women are living longer than men and this is the proof they're getting a better deal out of it because life is what people want?<br /><br />It's not so. People want to be happy and have their desires gratified. You have to know this more than most. How many thousands of people have you known who satisfied their short term desires at the costs of their long term health and welfare? Does this prove they want to die, or merely that they lack self control, or even that they pragmatically calculated that they'd rather have a good time when young and healthy, rather than have an extra 5 years tacked on at the end? I started drinking red wine recently, which I don't enjoy, because a half glass of red wine a day appears to correlate with another 5 years of life, and I want to be around to see my kids grown and established in the world. But the flat truth is, if I didn't have kids, you'd never get a glass of the stuff down my throat. There's me, or would be, picking comfort over long life.Daniel Keys Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12992599044462413412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-57743980756403983962009-06-08T10:54:06.476-07:002009-06-08T10:54:06.476-07:00I can't think of a single real mistake I'v...<i>I can't think of a single real mistake I've ever made in my life that didn't boil down to dishonesty.</i><br /><br />Really? I mean, seriously? Not one? Certainly a large percentage of the errors I've made in my life have been due to being dishonest with myself or others, but probably more frequently it's been due to some other cause -- failure to prepare, failure to execute, failure to read a situation correctly -- there's a lot of room for honest error in any person's life. Maybe this is a genuinely true statement on your part, and maybe you're exagerrating, but particularly for young people, I think this is a dreadfully absolutist standard to apply. I've seen my kids fail quite a lot over the years -- and succeed, as well; my oldest just completed her first year at Berkeley, and my next oldest just had a 4.3 GPA for the last semester; my kids are competing at a pretty high level. But I think telling them (and most adults) that all their failures are due to dishonesty would be a terrible burden to lay on them, besides being false to fact. I doubt it's true of your daughter, either.<br /><br />Congrats to Nicky, btw, and to you. Getting them to adulthood in one piece feels good, doesn't it?Daniel Keys Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12992599044462413412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-22294739483168145442009-06-08T09:49:27.559-07:002009-06-08T09:49:27.559-07:00Carol Moseley Braun, Barack Obama, Roland Burris; ...Carol Moseley Braun, Barack Obama, Roland Burris; makes me proud to be from Chicago.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04606348439737007635noreply@blogger.com