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Men are way too diverse a group of people with different opinions and goals to manage to conspire like that. Likewise, there's definitely no generalized female conspiracy.<BR/><BR/>"...but that was the default pattern -- guys with the strongest arms and the quickest wit ran the show, and the one with the most drive and weapons to back it up sat on top of the pyramid."<BR/><BR/>More accurately, "people with the strongest arms and the quickest wit ran the show," and then when not everyone gets the same nutritional and educational opportunities guess which children get to develop the strongest arms [hint: while men on average end up larger than women, I've also heard of oppression stunting muscle growth in some boys so that on average poor people end up smaller than their rich neighbors] and quickest wit and run the show in the next generation...?<BR/><BR/>"Women who bucked the power structure were punished, sometimes with death. It is only in recent times that laws have come to actually protect women and minors, and in this country, anybody who is not white."<BR/><BR/>...and people who got discriminated against for other stuff (being non-Christian, being gay and/or trans in some jurisdictions, etc.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-29118100768156657622008-04-26T09:33:00.000-07:002008-04-26T09:33:00.000-07:00So, another analogy, and maybe flawed. If slaves i...So, another analogy, and maybe flawed. If slaves in the U.S. were as smart as their captors -- and I take that as a given -- and they hated slavery, also hard to argue against, then why didn't they rise up and klll Massa en masse? There were more of them on any given plantation then there were white overseers.<BR/><BR/>I expect it was because they were also smart enough to realize that the power structure would be sending guns in a hurry.<BR/><BR/>Power structures are designed by those who have the most power and who want to keep it. <BR/><BR/>Through out history, the men have been the most privileged in most societies, and while there were certainly benefits to the women and female children, those were less about them than about the men who controlled them. THe hand that rocked the cradle has never ruled the world.<BR/><BR/>Granted, until relatively recent times, biology was destiny; nature designed pair-bonds and tribal ways to keep people alive and reproducing. And I don't think there was a generalized male conspiracy per se, but that was the default pattern -- guys with the strongest arms and the quickest wit ran the show, and the one with the most drive and weapons to back it up sat on top of the pyramid.<BR/><BR/>Women who bucked the power structure were punished, sometimes with death. It is only in recent times that laws have come to actually protect women and minors, and in this country, anybody who is not white.<BR/><BR/>It's still the default that the guy with the most guns runs the show, and he is helped to get there by folks who want him there, for their own reasons. <BR/><BR/>It's not that you are politically incorrect. It's just that you are wrong. Anybody in a predominately European society -- and that includes us -- who isn't white European has historically been oppressed -- Jews, Africans, Asians whoever.<BR/><BR/>By the by, did you see Rev. Jeremiah Wright on Bill Moyers' Journal last night? Man comes across a whole lot differently when you expand the sound bites and put them into context. He's got a right to gripe -- most of what he had to say made sense to me, especially given his background.Steve Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-34175946260926256982008-04-25T22:25:00.000-07:002008-04-25T22:25:00.000-07:00Anonymous: I said "runaway" slaves, while you are ...Anonymous: I said "runaway" slaves, while you are referring to "freed" slaves--while your point is still interesting, these are two different things.Steven Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-18309242554811986342008-04-25T21:34:00.000-07:002008-04-25T21:34:00.000-07:00"I've never heard of a runaway slave returning vol..."I've never heard of a runaway slave returning voluntarily"<BR/><BR/>I have heard of that.<BR/><BR/>In his books _Disposable People : New Slavery in the Global Economy_ and _Ending Slavery : How We Free Today's Slaves_, author Kevin Bales mentions cases of ex-slaves returning to slavery because they didn't receive the financial support they needed to get back on their feet after leaving the slaveholders (for example, not getting the support they need to afford housing other than what the slaveholder provided).<BR/><BR/>I'd post the quotes here but I already returned those books to the library. However, _Rebuilding Lives : An Introduction to Promising Practices in the rehabilitation of Freed Slaves_ is available online at https://www.freetheslaves.net/NETCOMMUNITY/Document.Doc?id=60 , and in pages 70-71 author Helen Armstrong says<BR/><BR/>"...Encourage clients to practice living without debts. Suggest that they should not usually ask for loans. This is especially important where depending on loans can become a path into slavery...<BR/><BR/>"...All clients should learn how to protect themselves against getting into another bad work situation.<BR/><BR/>"When former slaves cannot support themselves, they are in danger of being entrapped into slavery again. For example, some former sex slaves are forced back into prostitution because that is all they know..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-31381228966471697932008-04-25T16:14:00.000-07:002008-04-25T16:14:00.000-07:00"What DO they get more of? The stuff teenaged boys..."What DO they get more of? The stuff teenaged boys dream about. Power, glory, wealth. In other words, fool's gold. In fact, to broaden that, men get more of the things men value. But then, women get more of the things WOMEN value."<BR/><BR/>OTOH, men and women and intersex adults (and boys and girls and intersex children old enough to know what these are) value things like food and physical health. Is money fool's gold when it's the difference between eating and starving? Is power fool's gold when it's the power to survive refusing unprotected sex?<BR/><BR/>"'The hand that rocks the cradle ...' sounds to me a lot like 'the hand that picks the cotton.'"<BR/><BR/>Maybe less comparable to racism than to anti-Semitism? I got the impression that blacks get accused of pretending to be oppressed but secretly running the world way less often than Jews do (and I'm not sure what the accusers say about black Jews).<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, I wouldn't be surprised if a "Protocols of the Elders of Harlem" strain of white supremacism emerges during the President Obama administration.<BR/><BR/>"one also sees a glorious tradition of song, story, poem, and universally spread attitude that a LARGE proportion of women find the idea of marriage wonderful, and always have..."<BR/><BR/>Which ideas of which kinds of marriage?<BR/><BR/>"...This strikes me as being just as representative. Clearly, what slavery offered slaves and what marriage offers women are very different things."<BR/><BR/>Marriage doesn't offer the same things to all women. Someone may gain decades of partnership with a man or woman she loves from marriage. Someone else may get nightly rapes by a man she hates from marriage.<BR/><BR/>"It's like they're infected with something that is useful in one way, and will kill them in another...and then are blamed for being infected."<BR/><BR/>Good point. Nobody should be blamed for being infected! Deliberately going and infecting others is something else (remember, some infected people, do make an effort to not make even more victims, and they don't deserve to be lumped together with the ones who don't give a damn) and *that* is what deserves the blame.<BR/><BR/>"All I have to do is look at all the battlefields of the earth, heaped with the endless bodies of young men who bought the 'be a Man!' Kool-ade,"<BR/><BR/>Especially in the thousands of years and countless wars that passed before stuff like carpet bombing was invented! I heard that civilians are making up a higher % of wartime deaths in recent history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-43949611941595113192008-04-25T14:34:00.000-07:002008-04-25T14:34:00.000-07:00I don't doubt that men controlled that aspect of l...I don't doubt that men controlled that aspect of life for women and children. I'm asking a different, and I think, subtler question: there is obviously a grotesquely huge difference between the way women look at their relationships with men, and slaves looked at their relationships with their masters. I've never heard of a runaway slave returning voluntarily, or a free black voluntarily surrendering to the chain. This strikes me as being a fair representation of black feelings about slavery.<BR/>#<BR/>Conversely, all over the world, while one DOES hear stories of both generalized and specific woe connected with Male-Female relations, one also sees a glorious tradition of song, story, poem, and universally spread attitude that a LARGE proportion of women find the idea of marriage wonderful, and always have. This strikes me as being just as representative. Clearly, what slavery offered slaves and what marriage offers women are very different things. I don't deny that men get the better selection of their toys. I suggest that that shit isn't as important as men think it is, and it's a distraction from the realization that they are being ripped off horribly elsewhere. That the truth isn't that men are using women, or vice versa, but that nature is using us both, and that part of that damage is the domineering and violent behavior in men. I'm willing to bet that not one person reading this blog will say that violent, domineering behavior is healthy. Anyone? Then all these men are behaving in an unhealthy way...that admittedly destroys them as well, but turns them into something which is useful for keeping wolves and enemy tribesmen at bay.<BR/><BR/>It's like they're infected with something that is useful in one way, and will kill them in another...and then are blamed for being infected. <BR/><BR/>All I have to do is look at all the battlefields of the earth, heaped with the endless bodies of young men who bought the "be a Man!" Kool-ade, and know that there is a cost for being "Manly" that is never factored into this: that you get to strut like a peacock and act all bad, but about once every generation we're going to seriously fuck up a gigantic chunk of you. They didn't make the rules. NO ONE DID. But we have the chance to wake up, stop blaming each other and ourselves, and move beyond it. Yes, I would like ZERO violence on this planet, if it were possible. But I doubt seriously I could get there with the current popular explanations for why it all happens.Steven Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-63712432377003889952008-04-25T13:56:00.000-07:002008-04-25T13:56:00.000-07:00Coming from a guy who knows about slavery, I'm sur...Coming from a guy who knows about slavery, I'm surprised that you seem to be glossing over the idea that through most of history, women and children around the world were essentially property, had few rights, and that if you felt like thumping the wife and kiddies around for whatever reason, it was socially acceptable and your right as head of the household.<BR/><BR/>If you killed your husband, they hanged you.<BR/><BR/>Until WWII, most women didn't work outside the home, had no way of making an income, and often the abusive husband was the devil she knew, with no reason to believe that leaving him and finding another one -- also not real acceptable socially -- would be any better. <BR/><BR/>When did women get the right to vote? When my grandmother was twenty-one. <BR/><BR/>"The hand that rocks the cradle ..." sounds to me a lot like "the hand that picks the cotton." Neither is valid when it came to power and who really had it. <BR/><BR/>When the judges, lawyers, legislators, businessmen, doctors, and police are all white men, as they were through all but recent history here in the U.S. ,that playing ain't level for anybody who isn't a white man, is it?Steve Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-61700143476576073272008-04-25T10:47:00.000-07:002008-04-25T10:47:00.000-07:00Suzanne--what I meant to say (like I said, I'm a l...Suzanne--what I meant to say (like I said, I'm a little sleep deprived) is that men don't have babies separate from women, so you can't measure "men's babies" as opposed to "women's babies."<BR/>#<BR/>I find killing of female infants to be the most hideous form of abortion, which is the worst form of birth control. I in no way suggest that looking at those stats is not valuable--just that it wasn't one of my original criteria for measuring racial progress. And I never stated that those six standards are an ultimately legitimate way to measure black/female, black/white or Male/female relations--just that the results of doing so were, to me, of interest.Steven Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630529492355131777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-10629196019842644752008-04-25T10:14:00.000-07:002008-04-25T10:14:00.000-07:00I just read about Wesley Snipes' conviction (and s...I just read about Wesley Snipes' conviction (and sentence) today. On the one hand, I'm sorry that he's getting hammered--and pretty blatantly so precisely because he's high profile and can be used as an example. On the other hand...apparently he bought into the fringe tax protesters' claim that the income tax is illegitimate for various technical/legal reasons.<BR/><BR/>I'm surprised by his naiviety. Even if they had the facts on their side (I don't think they do, but even IF everything they allege is true), the government is NEVER, EVER going to admit it. The government will be much more aggressive about enforcing the law in such cases than it is with ordinary tax cheats--yeah, they're breaking the law, but they're trying to overturn the system, they're just trying to save themselves money.Mark Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01994430001543710190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339191.post-80685697288673356842008-04-25T10:11:00.000-07:002008-04-25T10:11:00.000-07:00Infant mortality rate? Not sure how to measure tha...<B>Infant mortality rate? Not sure how to measure that, since men don't have babies</B><BR/><BR/>HUH?!!!<BR/><BR/>infant mortality<BR/>at which the USA ranks ridiculously<BR/>high<BR/>refers to death of infants not of the bearer of the chuild<BR/>so it applies equally to males and females<BR/><BR/>and worldwide the deliberate killing <BR/>of female newborns<BR/>or using ultrasound before birth<BR/>and then aborting the females<BR/>is an established fact<BR/>especially i n China and India<BR/>it's what has caused the scarcity<BR/>of women in china . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com